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1 物化2班同学录

物化2班同学清单和人物分析

本人觉得物化2班很诡异,跟踪该班同学发言多日,特意在此分析该班人物如下。

以博大家一笑。

欢迎大家根据自己看到的资料继续分析,补充。

物化2班人员清单由orchid2k5提供

http://www9.tianya.cn/New/PublicForum/Content.asp?idWriter=0&Key=0&strItem=free&idArticle=449394&flag=1

作者:ochid2k5 回复日期:2006-1-4 17:01:26

全部信息均来自网络,本人只做调查分析,不负任何责任。请网友自行验证、判断真伪。

特别使用了“哈哈我就要笑”提供的物化2班同学录里的聊天记录。从记录来看应该

是已经编辑过的,不知道他的记录全不全。

orchid2k5提供的清单中的地址应该是物化2毕业之后部分同学仍在读研期间的信息。请查阅原贴。

欢迎物化2同学和知情人验证。

同学清单:

女 刘丽敏 杨春光之妻,大一班长,不告而别,“倾斜的边”认为她不会投毒。

男  张 磊 现在北美,04年注册zhuling.org网站

男  张 利 “百合之春”,物化2班原班长、体育部长 《十年一梦间》作者

女  孙 维 “孙维声明”,最大嫌疑人

女  朱 令 学号921966,受害者

男  左 晨 薛刚,潘峰同屋,大一副班长。“小资”倾向严重。离职而去。

男  李现平 大四大五物化2班班长,04年曾去看望朱令。

女  王惠霞

女  李含琳 薛刚之妻

男  杨春光 刘丽敏之夫,不告而别。

男  尹世学

男  张众笑

男  潘 峰 老4,王琪之夫, 大四大五物化2班团支书

男  王建武

男  童宇峰 天涯同名ID,《再答Daisy小友》,《广陵一曲从此散》作者

男  王 俊

男  邱志江 天涯同名ID,老6,看来是不知情者,被两边各当枪使了一把。

男  陈忠周 老9,原物化课代表 《我所知道的一些有关朱令事件的小事》作者

男  张启俭

男  周立泉

男  刘广民 普通同学,“我也一直对这个事情很怀疑.应该有个说法”

男  邓 榴

男  潘 波 普通同学,04年曾去看望朱令 “周日老大、P4、现平和我到朱令家去了”

男  寇 鹏 “好人有好梦”,不知情善良人,显然被支持孙维的同学耍了一把。

女  王 琪 潘峰之妻,孙维朱令同屋

女  高 菲 物化2班的孙维代言人?

女  金 亚

男  薛 钢 老2,天涯ID: xuegang,物化2团支书,李含琳之夫

女  徐 冉

女  王红梅

女  王晓红

天涯ID分析:

根据该班同学相互之间验证,以及透露的信息判断,本人不负责真实性。

孙维声明 孙维

太阳正暖 孙维同屋

forthetruth

小熊皮埃尔

shoptodrop

以上4人由邱验证

xuegang 薛刚

邱志江 邱志江

好人有好梦 寇鹏

孙维同班同学

此人由邱验证

百合之春 张利

此人自报家门,从他提供内容看应该是张利。

另外百合就是lily,合”利”,春天百花开放,合”张”。所以百合之春是张利无疑。

童宇峰 童宇峰

此人做事风格比较严谨,第一次出来用了数字签名,没有验证,应该是他本人。

原来非我

从“邱老六你不用来证明身份了,不要跟2,4淌浑水,只有他们才知道真相是什么。”及原来一直

没有暴露的4的身份分析该人应该是物化2的

倾斜的边

虽然没有邱验证,但是他提供的内容显然只有物化2的人才有。

而且从此人发言来看应该是比较客观地提供了资料。

这两个ID怀疑是冒充的,因为他们没有提供任何能够判断其身份的信息。

李含琳 李含琳?

潘峰老婆王琪 王琪?

人物分析:

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男生女生性别根据物化2班有31人,11名女生以及姓名本身判断。

薛刚李含琳为夫妻可以从orchid2k5原贴两人地址一致验证。

两人同在Pfizer工作,见我另外回贴。从他们的专业来说应该无误。

薛书记的冷血大家已又所闻,又有网友提到孙维发贴和

他发表洋洋洒洒25点时他在国内,可见此人和孙维关系不一般。

网上谣言不是无中生有。

薛书记25点开篇就是一句“与众多网友一样,多年来我们深深

痛息于朱令铊中毒这个极其残酷的悲剧,努力支持和帮助朱令

苦难而坚毅的家庭,虽然我们没有说过太多。”

而在同学录上聊天时提到:

“薛钢 2004-04-03 05:20:25

看了潘波的留言,感到一丝的欣慰。虽然进度没有大家希望

的那么快,但朱令是一天一天地恢复。可以想象为了这些进步,

她的父母付出了多少心血,耐心和泪水。正如朱令父亲所说,

帮助朱令康复不是一日之功。我觉得有大家一起,经济上可能不

是大问题。近日在美国的“Help Zhuling Foundation”在热心

者的努力下也已经注册成立了。倒是如何长期照料,帮助朱令的

康复计划可能得大家多出谋划策,尤其是她父母年事很高,无法

照料朱令以后。

他身为支书为朱令做了什么没有见人说出来过,大家谁也不知道,

大概只是和“众多网友一样…深深痛惜”而已。自己主意不出,却

说“得大家多出谋划策”。为孙维辩护倒是不遗余力。

另外看看他究竟为朱令出过什么力,从helpzhuling.org网站上

查捐款进程,看到薛刚李含琳就此一条:

Xue, Gang $200.00 04/12/04

正是物化2那次讨论后的结果。以此人爱慕虚荣及一贯冷血表现,

他们不可能在匿名捐款名单中。辉瑞是美国顶尖医药公司,以两人在公司身份

http://www.healthtech.com/2005/apn/index.asp

Dr. Hanlin Li, Principle Research Scientist, Analytical Research, Pfizer Inc.

Dr. Gang Xue, Principal Scientist, Analytical R&D, Pfizer Inc.

和资历,年薪每人不会低于每年8万美元吧?区区200美元就是

“多年来我们…努力支持和帮助朱令苦难而坚毅的家庭,虽然我

们没有说过太多。”?看来他们的确没有说过太多,只是也没有捐过

太多。这两人应该捐出自己十年的薪水为自己赎罪。

王琪潘峰为夫妇由天涯用户“化学系的”确认。

王琪和孙维朱令一屋,怀疑李含琳也和孙维一屋。她们两人应该

是出来为孙维辩护的4人中的两个。

从同学录上聊天记录以及他作为王琪之夫的身份,原来非我的发言和

倾斜的边的发言来分析判断,潘峰是老4,是知情人,这次没有看到

他出来,如果有网友发现他的发言请提供线索。我再作分析。

因为他的发言很少,故特此引用下面这段他在同学录上的聊天记录。

这段话被不少人用来证明物化2还是在帮助朱令的。

“  潘峰 2004-03-17 12:16:23

这两天上来了几次,才发现讨论比较多,而且从国外传回来的

消息是国外也越来越热烈了。一直想说两句,可总觉得没想好,总

觉得有些事多想想再说没啥坏处。

我很愿意参加为朱令的捐款,联络国内的同学一起做这件事。

我承认班级作为一个整体,毕业后对朱令的关心是不够(当然不是指

个人),但也从不认为物化2是个 “冷血”的班级,将来会被钉在耻

辱柱上。作为同学,我们多多少少比别人知道更多的东西,越是如此,

越发愿意保持沉默,当然沉默不等于什么都不做。朱令母亲有两大心愿:

一是朱令康复,二是揭明事实真相,这何尝不是我们,乃至所有人的

心愿。对于帮助朱令康复,我们可以通过捐款、设立基金等方式略尽

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绵薄之力;但对于发现事件真相,我并无信心,也不奢望通过网络推

理等方式可以做到。事实上,就我所知,朱令家庭是有自己的怀疑对

象的,也采取了种种调查和施加压力等方式,说句稍微严重点的话,

足以使心里承受能力弱一点的人自杀。如果那个人是凶手的话,当然

大快人心,罪有应得;可有多少确凿的证据表明这一点呢?朱令和目

前许多人心中的嫌疑人都是我们的同学,命运对朱令是不公和残忍,

但在没有确凿证据前提下通过各种方式(包括网络谴责)对心目中的

疑犯施加足以改变其一生的压力,不也是一种不公和残忍么?就我所

知,我们已对公安机关提供了所有已知的线索以帮助破案,到目前为

止并无结果,因此在查明真相的问题上,采用沉默是无奈的选择。在

这个问题上,我们只能依赖公安机关,而不是众多的网络侦探和推理

家;何况网络上很多时候不怎么讲道理的,消息真假难辨,纷繁复杂,

我们也根本应付不过来。

我知道很多人通过匿名方式查看我们的留言薄,这也算代表我个

人的立场—-我将和在国内的同学一起参与捐款、设立基金等事宜,同时

不会参与案情的讨论。

从这段话来看,该同学的确是知情人,而且和孙维关系不浅,因为他

提到了“足以使心里承受能力弱一点的人自杀”,孙维这么坚强,而且

自信自己清白无辜,清者自清,怎么会向普通朋友提要自杀?想必潘峰

同学也必定劝慰过孙维。另外考虑到有人提到潘峰是化学系有名的小白

脸,又有人说王琪长得丑,而“倾斜的边”提到孙维是“妩媚”的女子,

王琪孙维是一宿舍的,那么看来潘峰弃孙维而娶王琪大有文章。

这次潘峰没有出来为孙维辩护恐怕是孙维保护潘峰的想法,因为现在看来

出来辩护的几个人疑点颇多,将来在审判席上恐怕逃不了干系。

另外,虽然他说要帮助朱令,而且他曾经也是物化2大四大五的团支书(

见贝志城所贴物化2某同学给贝的信),但是他只是参与而不是发起

捐款、设立基金一事,而且物化2班最后也没有成立任何基金会,另外

此人很在意“很多人通过匿名方式查看我们的留言薄”,可见此人

也是一个爱慕虚荣的主,这些发言现在看来不过是他粉饰自我的表白而已。

出来为孙维辩护的4女生中王琪是太阳正暖?李含琳肯定也参与了

辩护,为4女生之一。其余两人不知为谁。ID和真名之间的对应关系

不知如何。

童宇峰这人看来性情中人,他说的话应该比较可信。

故特意找来童宇峰写过的文章和文字,做如下分析:

从他在天涯第一次发言来看他似乎知道很多情况。但是到现在只露了一次面,

不知道此人在等待什么。估计有所顾忌,再从下文分析以及读他

写的文字避而不谈嫌疑人身份来看,看出此人及其优柔寡断。

再看他的《再答Daisy小友》一文,“汉语作为我的母语,完全可以表

达我的意思,同样也完全可以表达你的意思。字里行间的余味,看中文

的人不仔细去体会,就能错过去,更何况一个母语不是英文的人用半拉

子英文去转述。”从他的意思好像他也有苦衷,但是却故意在字里行间

漏出很多信息。

从他在同学录上发言来看:

童宇峰 2004-03-13 10:47:46

对于这个事情的看法,我曾经和高菲说起过。我想我现在还是那样的想法。

不知为何他提到高菲的名字,比较合理的猜测高菲是孙维在班里的代言人,

我推测高菲是4个女生中一人。不知道童宇峰对于“这个事情”是怎么看的。

我一直没有找到他对这个事情的看法。但是猜测他和高菲、孙维交流过。

他回忆朱令的文章提到“不能不提到的一个事实是朱令是两次发病,两次

症状类似。有位友人和我讨论,说两次发病不等于两次中毒;可是从毒理

上讲,重金属不像病毒,可以在体内潜伏,多次发作;两次发病表明她至

少是两次中毒。”这个友人不知道是不是高菲,还是出来辩护的4人之一,

现在还不清楚。

倾斜的边是谁?

从他说的内容来看应该比较知情,“但物化2不是当年的十个优秀毕业班

之一。薛钢曾说,交上去的名单里本来有物化2,但被校务委员否决了。”

这句话表明此人应该毕业时属于班干部,不然薛刚不会透露这么丢他

面子的事情。从贝志城公布的物化2某同学的信来看,此人很可能是大四

大五时候的班长李现平。

原来非我,从信的内容来看应该是班上普通男生,因为他只提到了男生那

边的事情,而且文字中表现出来此人对班干部积怨颇深。

身份比较神秘的是“孙维同班同学”,现在只能猜测他是男生之一,理由

如下:

一、他对于男生那边绰号很了解。

二、倾斜的边提到有两个女生从外系转来,据我所知,清华换系不换宿舍,

应该是女生那边应该有两人在别的系的宿舍。“孙维同班同学”只提到

三个女生宿舍,从太阳正暖等人的发言看出清华大概是4个女生一宿舍。

“孙维同班同学”没有提两个新女生的宿舍,说明他对于女生那边的情况

不了解,所以应该是男生。

三、从文字风格上来看此人不是已出来人的马甲。

欢迎网友继续提供线索

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From: P2

Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:11 PM

To: Yufeng Tong

Subject: Re:

— Yufeng Tong wrote:

> Wang Qi already admitted that there were twice

> poisonings. You can check

> with her.

>

Don’t get me wrong. Personally I think it looks very

likely twice poisoning, too. I was just try to be

accurate about the fact stated in the letter. What the

test itself could only prove the second time

posioning. Agree?

> Well this is not the purpose of the petition letter.

> If the police

> can clarify that Sun Wei is innocent, all the rumors

> will disappear.

> I remember somewhere in her statement Sun Wei

> mentioned that the police

> has claimed she is innocent. Why does not she scan

> and post

> that. That is stronger than a thousand of posts on

> the Internet.

>

I thought the intention of the letter was to press the

police to find out the TRUTH about the case, which in

my opinion should be unbiased, with no presumption.

When I said to request the police to disclose what is

known so far is not to prove Wei’s innocence, but

allow public fairly know more of the FACTS, the TRUTH.

It would guide people’s rational thinking and treat

every one fairly. The damage to Ling and her family is

extremely tragedic and hurts everyone of us who knows

her. But on the other hand, if Wei is innocent, how

unfair it is for the attack and malicous accusation.

Both of them are our classmates. If anyone really did

anything bad, it deserves the punishment. But if it is

unfairly treated, shouldn’t we stand up and help? Also

the government is now key on 提高政府工作透明度, what

can’t we advocate the police to share the

non-classified preceedings?

> And as I noticed from one post by “upset coffee”@

> baidu, the malicious rumor

> starts with Xin Li who is an ebay engineer at

> Shanghai now.

> Check these posts:

>

>http://post.baidu.com/f?ct=352321536&tn=baiduPostSearch&rn=10&pn=0&lm=65541&

>word=%B2%BB%B0%B2%B5%C4%BF%A7%B7%C8&rs2=2

>

>http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/helpzhuling/message/461

>

>http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/helpzhuling/message/3

>

> Maybe Sun Wei should consider to sue him. So far as

> I know,

> email and posts on Internet can be used as evidence

> in the States.

In order to sue the netizen, you would have to prove

the identity of the person who stated that. Would you

have the confidence to accomplish that? I don’t. I

don’t know much about criminal and civil law. But I

think 诽谤 is Civil Lawsuit, and only criminal

investigation could initiate police to track the IP

and private messages. It appears like dilemma to me.

Without the police investigation, you wouldn’t know

who to sue. And without the lawsuit, you can’t ask the

police to investigate. Maybe your lawer friend could

advise me on this. You probably have seen many

malicous rumors and attacks against me. There is just

nothing I could do about it other than throw them

behind me. The good thing is everyone who is close to

me, knows me, and encourages me.

> And the reason she was investigated, I thought you

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> know much

> better than I do. I think everyone knows she is the

> only one have

> legal access to thallium among our classmates.

I wouldn’t agree on this one. I remeber Li Longdi’s

fluorescence and phosphorescence lab was the open lab

for some instrument analysis lab classes. It is right

across the hall of Luo Guoan’s small CE lab. And as

long as there are people around, it is not locked. I

can’t agree Wei is the only one in our class who have

“legal” access to Tl. But one thing does puzzle me. I

didn’t know Analysis Center had Tl till 97 from Liu

Jia. Why Xue Fangyu told us in 95 after the thourough

search in Tsinghua that we don’t have Tl? This I

remember very clearly. I think one thing we could do

is to get touch with Tong Aijun or Li Longdi. One is

to know about Wei’s project in late 94, two is to when

Tl was initially been used, why the 95 search didn’t

ring the bell.

> Considering this, I am always wondering whether the

> so called XXXXXXXXXX� is true or not. If it is

> true, all Wang Qi

> and Jin Ya said on tianya was nonsense, the police

> will

> not believe they were telling the truth. And I am

> afraid

> they two will be recalled for further investigation

> and they two will be also listed as suspects. If it

> is not true,

> why does not anyone of GaoFei, Jin Ya, Wang Qi,

> come

> out to clarify, or at least on tsinghua.org.cn? If

> it is not true,

> Bei Zhicheng must have coined that up and he must be

> organizing all the cyberspace attack. I definitely

> believe

> one of the persons listed on the XXXXXXXXXX� should

> come

> out and claim that it is not true. That will guide

> people to

> rational discussion. I cannot see any reason that

> none of

> the persons listed would do it unless IT IS TRUE.

I had some separate chat with Ya and Qi over the net.

I believe they are sincere and trustworth. Would you

believe any of our classmates would LIE to blindly

defend Wei? Don’t tell me the briberary those kind of

bullshit. Only those people with darkness in their

mind would cook that out. Ya and Qi were very

responsible. And they were questioned by the police in

95 and the police should have the minutes. Qi was even

the one who reported the theft case to the police!

That is also the reason I would like to see the police

to disclose some non-classified information. It will

help everyone get closer to the TRUTH.

> Yes Wang Qi told me she never received such a phone

> call.

> And Jin Ya never answered this question. But that

> is reported

> in newspaper. So this means Sun Wei received the

> phone call?

>I asked Ya explicted about the bread phonecall. She

>never heard of it. I doubt the validity of the media

>report. I can’t agree with your duduction either. Such

>a phone call about bread really doesn’t make sense.

> That guy commenting on the “YouLiangXueFengBan” must

> be

> one knows both you and Bei for a long time. You

> should have

> remembered whom you told the thing in 2002 because

> I saw

> that saying at the same year.

作者: 67.15.136.* 2006-2-27 20:23   回复此发言

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I don’t think Bei said that in 2002, cause I remeber

receiving some email inquries when I was in school and

I gradated in 2001. So it must be before that. And I

could say again here, I never said that, and I don’t

know anyone who’s Bei’s buddy at school. If you trust

the “someone” more than me, I can’t say anything else.

Anyway, as I said, it is just about me. It has nothing

to do with the case itself. So let’s get over it.

> This is strange. P4 is the Youth League head of the

> time.

> How could he be not the other one? I cannot believe

> this.

> Also strange to me is that he did not say anything

> for Sun

> Wei and he even didn’t reply my email about a post

> on Baidu threating to reveal Wang Qi’s info. unless

> he spoke up.

I don’t remember who went along with me. Maybe asking

our classmates to recall would help. But I understand

P4’s silience. Just see what happened to me, Hanlin,

Ya, Fei and Qi. There are blinded or even worse,

malicous people there, can’t tell white from black,

and malicously offending everyone who tries to speak

up. The only reason is that the FACTS are not what

they wish they would see, and they wouldn’t prove

their presumption. In addition to my previous comments

about Qi and Ya’s trustbility, for everything they

stated in Tianya, did you see anything that was not

true? Why would you think they were “nonsense”?

> I can’t remember whether Xue Fangyu said these. And

> it is

> weird that Sun Wei did not mention that she is doing

> experiments

> involving thallium.

Again, recall from our classmates would help clarify

this. I remember Xue Fangyu perodically gave us

updates about Ling in class, sometimes after the

P.Chem class, sometimes at other occasions.

Also, I have a question for you. I saw a post claimed

to be from our classmate about Yu Jianyuan mentioning

the death of a student after cleaning the fume hood. I

remember Yu telling us the case, but I don’t think he

said it was related to Tl. What do you recall?

I didn’t know if Wei was doing experiments with Tl at

that time and I never asked her. I would think it

better ask Tong Aijun and Li Longdi. Even if Wei said

no, I guess not many people would believe.

>Rumor says you were at the spot after the theft happened.

>http://post.baidu.com/f?kz=85298964

>And this guy

>http://post.baidu.com/f?>ct=352321536&tn=baiduPostSearch&rn=10&pn=0&lm=65541&word=%BC%E4%BD%D3%D6%>AA%C7%E9%C8%CB&rs2=2

>seems to be a quite close friend of you. He knows so much info., some

>of the informations I even never heard of, that I believe either he is one of

>you guys spoke out for Sun Wei or he is very closely related to all of you.

I was NOT there. I am sick and tired of those rumors.

I don’t who this guy is and what it is going after,

but surely very disgusting. He even crooked what

happened when Zuo Chen hit me once. Oh, you surprised

he knew some of the things you never heard of? Hey,

don’t, I hadn’t heard about it either. Tell me more

about this Xue Gang.

>Would you please do it? I don’t think P6 or Pan Bo is influential

>enough for this action. Or maybe P4 can help. He was the head

>in the class and he also mentioned he would do something for

>Zhu Ling and also Sun Wei in 2004. Why would he not come up?

So you would like to add everyone else in China? I

sure could help with that. If so, you may need to

revise the letter a little bit to include everyone.

BTW, would it be all right to post our emails to

tsinghua.org so our classmates could view it? Not sure

if it is good idea. But would sure respect your

opinion.

Best,

Gang

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